Curse

LolTimesSeven · Dec 08, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

I think its fine.

Kinda saves playing the same shit over and over to level up.

Neo Nugget · Dec 08, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

I agree, it's a good option for people, there isn't any lvl restriction on getting to the other areas like Factions.

max gladius · Dec 08, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

do u guys not see my point... i have no prob letten them in, crap, let lvl 1s in for all i care... but the boosts are not called for in the least, that is what my problem is...

Toxage · Dec 08, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by max gladius

do u guys not see my point... i have no prob letten them in, crap, let lvl 1s in for all i care... but the boosts are not called for in the least, that is what my problem is...

Then how do you propose that they get to access the content?

Stolen Souls · Dec 08, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Then how do you propose that they get to access the content?

If level 10s wanna do GW:EN...let 'em in. But let them fend for themselves. Just like they'd have to if they rushed to Cantha. Let them have their access. Ditch the buff.

Jara · Dec 08, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by max gladius

do u guys not see my point... i have no prob letten them in, crap, let lvl 1s in for all i care... but the boosts are not called for in the least, that is what my problem is...

Factions is the only campaign that guarantees max armor being available at the same time as EotN is (without a run to droks or a ferry to the docks), so the buffs are probably to level the playing field for other campaigns.

KANE OG · Dec 08, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Why should anyone care at this point?

Look, QQ all you want, they won't change it back. They won't change loot scaling, they'll offer the bmp to all of the whiners, they've already killed the market on rare skins, they nerf builds at will.

These threads don't make any sense anymore. They certainly don't matter to anet.

About the only thing we, as a community, have a chance in hell of changing is is what position we want to be in when we get screwed.

KANE

max gladius · Dec 08, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Jara

Factions is the only campaign that guarantees max armor being available at the same time as EotN is (without a run to droks or a ferry to the docks), so the buffs are probably to level the playing field for other campaigns.

how many lvl 10s do u know who make it to lions arch at lvl 10? then question comes to why lvl 10... those ppl proly got ran there... pay 2k get ran to droks.. pay 200g get ferry to docks...

i say loose the buff, would be like giving free heros to factions and proph players, even thought they dont own nightfall or gwen... "well, since u may want this, here u go" that is crap, and a huge cheat / overpowerment in my eyes...

do you think nothing in this game is worth earning now... lvls, points, health, armor is one of the few things player actualy have to earn these days, now anet is handing them that too... that is my problem, that is why im pissed off.

The Meth · Dec 08, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

The lvl-20 requirement was a stupid and arbitrary, a lvl 15 could easily survive in EotN without the buff. With the buff there is no such thing as being 'useless' purely by level difference. Skills could obviously be different, but the fact is the majority of PuG players have sucky builds at lvl 10 and lvl 20.

Personally I would rather just let in characters of all levels and lose the buffs, just because the buffs actually mess up and lower the power of many builds that are lvl 15+

Damage is NOT affected by the level difference between you and mobs, it is just affected by mobs levels. Let me give a quick 101 on damage:

At lvl 20 and at 12 attribute points all characters do 100% damage to AL 60, regardless of the opposing character's level. Higher level characters will do 100% damage to higher level armor, for example for all armor effected spells the formula is 3 * level, so a lvl 30 will do 100% damage to 90 AL, or a little under 170% damage to an AL 60. For weapons the AL at which you do 100% damage is dependent on both Level and Attribute rank and gets a bit more complicated, but your own level will not matter.

I can understand if you oppose applying an arbitrary buff to <lvl 20 players, but opposing any <lvl 20 players at all makes no sense. It's not like having lower levels in the same towns as you hurts you or anything, if you have a problem with it don't take them. My guess is that most of the people going in at lvl 10 are going to be experienced players who are using henchies anyway.

Jara · Dec 08, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by max gladius

do you think nothing in this game is worth earning now... lvls, points, health, armor is one of the few things player actualy have to earn these days, now anet is handing them that too... that is my problem, that is why im pissed off.

This only effects EotN, and the armor buff goes away once their level 20 and leave EotN, so they still have to earn their armor and save money to buy runes and insignias. They still have to be smart enough to kill things to get to level 20. It's a crutch, yes, but a temporary one that lets a few more people experience an event. I can see why it might seem unnecessary, but I personally don't have an issue with it.

Edit: And it's not going to effect just new players either, other players that have already "earned" things the old-fashioned way with other characters can take advantage of it too if they make a new character.

YunSooJin · Dec 08, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

lolwut?

wahhhh level 10s in gwen
anet is nerfing me
anet is against farmers
people are elitists
there's no1 to play wit heroes suk!!!
pve is more complicated than pvp
i want to castrate myself to prevent my degenerate dna from infecting further generations with my brand of stupidity!!

Burst Cancel · Dec 08, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I don't think the buff makes any sense, but I don't think the level restriction made any sense either.

Wow, GW policies that don't make sense? That's a new one.

I'd argue this further like some of the old threads, but I'm resigned to the fact that this game is dead and the playerbase is just a steaming pile of shit. Just let people have their fun.

Swift Thief · Dec 08, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

They should take levels out all together.

trobinson97 · Dec 08, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

My take on Anet allowing level 10's into EotN:

I_don't_care.

anonymous · Dec 08, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

My view: so what, its not like getting level 20 is an accomplishment, but zomg EotN was supposed to be a reward for lvl 20 playerz!!!!!! Oh boy, now I save 2 hours questing in factions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by max gladius

do you think nothing in this game is worth earning now... lvls, points, health, armor is one of the few things player actualy have to earn these days, now anet is handing them that too... that is my problem, that is why im pissed off.

I repeat: lvl 20 and max armor is not an accomplishment, get over it.

Personette · Dec 08, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by KANE OG

About the only thing we, as a community, have a chance in hell of changing is is what position we want to be in when we get screwed.

KANE

That doesn't sound so bad actually. Have you ever thought of going into PR?

milan · Dec 08, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

wahhhh level 10s in gwen
anet is nerfing me
anet is against farmers
people are elitists
there's no1 to play wit heroes suk!!!
pve is more complicated than pvp
i want to castrate myself to prevent my degenerate dna from infecting further generations with my brand of stupidity!!

This man wins, I don't care what but he wins.

Lady Raenef · Dec 08, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Eye of the North was mean't for older characters to have a new challenge to take on, but I really don't see how it bothers people. It makes no difference really.

genofreek · Dec 08, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

I'm kinda glad they decided to do that. I had a few characters I wanted to take through, but one was 14 and the other was 19, and I didn't particularly want to grind just to get up north and grind s'more for Norn/Dwarf/Asura/Vanguard points.

I can't believe they didn't do something like this from the start, TBH. GW:EN offers insane amounts of XP, and the fact that you couldn't even get at it until you were max level kinda pissed me off.

cellardweller · Dec 08, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14

I'm waiting for them to allow us to create "PvE Ready" toons at L20, max gear and towns unlocked.